Bryce has a great video taking a look at the controversial $700 unconference coming to Toronto called CopyCamp.
The premise of the event is straight forward but important: to bring artists together to talk about the Internet and its challenge to copyright.
It’s been picked up by a couple folks, including Boing Boing and Torontoist, and by far the biggest question seems to be: where did that $700 pricetag come from given that *camps have made a tradition of being free?
Now, it’s quite acceptable for events to vary the model as desired; charging an entry fee is just one of those options, as is setting the agenda before the event begins. Open space comes in more than just one form and variations on a theme are a good thing for the development of an ecosystem of events.
My concern with the size of the fee in this case, however, is about who will end up being excluded from the conversation — and how those people’s absences will affect the quality and rigor of the debate. Even with subsidies, anything over $50 can be a considerable burden for potential attendees. And this kind of approach seems weak or fraught with unfairness and overhead:
For people who want to come: you can get into the event either by buying a ticket (recommended for suits) or applying to have your spot paid for (recommended for artists and other “creators”). We’re trying to get the best participants we can, and we plan on giving away a lot of free spots to people who we really want there, especially people who are excited about contributing to the event.
It was that issue that lead us to make the BarCamp model as flat and low-cost as possible, because the conversation shouldn’t be limited only to those who can afford to pay-to-play. I suppose that one might make the case that since the topic here seems to be about copyright and the artist’s ability to profit from her work, the folks attending have a vested economic interest in pushing this conversation forward. At the same time, I think that the creators of free or open culture have something to add to the mix, but I can’t imagine that they’d be able to spring for an event with such a high monetary barrier to entry. This kind of event need not be free, but for every extra $50 you add to the cost, there’s a whole range of folks who can’t ante up.
However it plays out, Bryce has proposed CopyCatCamp, a free (as in beer) alternative, possibly to be held in a universally accessible food court. Sounds to me a bit like history repeating — but in the end, I’d love to see both models succeed. This topic is far too important to not bring folks together around it, and CopyCamp is just the first of what surely will turn into a long-term debate on the future of intellectual property.
So, one last thing: I wonder what the license for reuse of the CopyCamp mark is…







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August 20, 2006 at 5:15 pm
elronsteele
This sounds like a fascinating concept. I remember thinking the same thing about IdeaCity until I looked at the price tag … as you say, there are financial bars that many can’t pay, and that skews the info available.
August 20, 2006 at 8:15 pm
Misha Glouberman (CopyCamp)
Hey Chris,
Thanks for posting about us. I agree with you. I also want to see different models succeed.
I listened recently to the MP3 of the talk you gave at Wikimania about Bar Camp. It was really exciting and inspiring. As someone deep in the throes of organizing a (comparably) infrastructure-heavy event, I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t feeling profoundly jealous right now of the resource-light structures you’ve come up with. I hope CopyCamp can learn from that in upcoming years.
That said, I do want to point out a couple of things that might help explain why we’re doing this the way we’re doing them.
A big part of why we’re doing CopyCamp is to have an event where artists can engage in real dialog with lawmakers and bureaucrats about Copyright. We think that’s an important thing that needs to happen. Bryce sort of jokingly suggests that our hope is to get one lawyer’s ticket to pay for 6 artists and activists. But he’s not far off the mark. Some of the people we really want there can pay, and some can’t. The idea behind our pricing is to charge the people who can afford to be there, and use the money to fund the people who can’t.
A critical difference between CopyCamp and Bar camps is that an individual Bar Camp, as you mentioned in your talk, is really all about a local community. CopyCamp isn’t meant to be a local event. We’re flying in artists from around Canada to partake in this discussion, as well as others from around the world. That’s costly, and the $700 admission price is a big part of what allows us to fund the presence of artists who could not afford the trip otherwise.
A lot of people (mostly artists) will get to attend CopyCamp for free. A lot of people (also mostly artists) will get to travel to Toronto for free and attend CopyCamp for free. To make this happen, a number of people attending CopyCamp will have to pay an admission price. And because space and resources are limited, some people might not be able to attend at all.
Forgive the long post. I think the Bar Camp model is amazing. We at CopyCamp are all huge fans of it. We’re trying to see if we can adopt some elements of it, while keeping some other more traditional conference elements, and come up with something exciting and useful and good.
(And of course, I’ve already emailed Bryce, and asked to be put on the registration list for CopyCatCamp. I’ll be the first one there. )
Misha Glouberman,
CopyCamp
August 20, 2006 at 8:32 pm
Misha Glouberman (CopyCamp)
hmm… as I hit send, I realized – For some reason I assumed Chris Messina was the author of the blog entry. Now I’m not sure. If not, whoever you are, I’m sorry I called you Chris.
August 20, 2006 at 9:00 pm
Chris Messina
Heh, hi Misha. Yes, ’twas I, Chris, who made the post (in my characteristicly proddy way).
I appreciate your comments and am glad that you explained this. In fact, it’s not far off from what I presumed, but I didn’t want to jump to conclusions prematurely — it did, however, give me a chance to explain the BarCamp cost-model — contrasting it with your approach, which is entirely valid.
I do think that it’s okay to be more explicit about the fact that you’re essentially subsidizing the travel and registration of those who can’t afford it with those who can — and there’s no reason why you can’t come out and say that in the FAQ. Your goal is to bring people together to have this discussion — and the fee is one way to make that happen.
I also think, however, by *not* calling it out explicitly that you cause more confusion in light of what’s come before, when it’s really not that big of a deal. If I’ve learned anything, it’s that transparency and clarity up front will come back to you in spades when the community is confused about a decision you’ve made.
Again, thanks for coming to clear things up — and hopefully you can make your approach more apparent on the site.
August 20, 2006 at 9:55 pm
Misha Glouberman (CopyCamp)
Chris-
Happy it’s you! (Both to avoid the “wrong person” embarrassment and also because when I heard the Wikimania talk I thought “Geez, why aren’t we in touch with that guy…”)
I agree 100% with your suggestion that more transparency on our part would help. Mostly, I think the subsidy model had just become so ingrained in our own heads that we failed to even realize that it might not be obvious to other people. I’ve taken what I posted here in response to your comments, and refashioned it into a FAQ entry:
http://copycamp.ca/what-s-the-rationale-behind-the-pricing
I hope that’ll help dispel a lot of the confusion.
Thanks very much for pointing out something that needed to be made clearer.
- Misha
August 21, 2006 at 6:52 am
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